on facebook boo chanco posted a portion of former senator rene saguisag’s email on the sabah issue that starts thus:
I have yet to read an account on Sabahans pining for our export-quality type of governance, after 20 years of Marcos-Imelda and ten of GMA-Mike.
Many columnists have again found something they don’t understand and proceed to explain it, validating once again that media is the plural of mediocre…
and ends with:
The instant experts of three or four weeks may soon realize that only the tip of the tip of the iceberg they may have seen and should not be so forward with their explanations, suggestions and brickbats. Mike, of UP and Cornell, Nina, of UP, and Letty, of Wellesley and Sorbonne, were serious Senators. We should also engage Muslims Amina, of UP, and Adel, of Harvard, for their inputs.
We in our bivouacs may not irresponsibly continue blasting the Prez in his commanding heights, who may see more and farther. We should not casually provoke war and reprisals
so i’m not going there, except to say that i hope the former senator would be less cryptic and speak more plainly about what it is we don’t know about the sabah claim so that maybe we can begin to appreciate how the president has handled/is handling the crisis, including the “hopeless cause” part of it.
meanwhile, i’ve been waiting for media to ask the sultan or the princess about the timing of the sabah incursion. why now, why not last year, why not later this year. clearly it catches the president at a very bad time when, on the one hand, he’s campaigning for a 12-0 win of his senatorial slate come may, and on the other, things were looking up for the malaysia-brokered bangsamoro deal with the MILF, or so we were being told. the stakes are so high, it would seem that the prez has reason to cry conspiracy.
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The Sulu Sultanate Quarrel and Wider Implications
GRAFFITI REVIEW: THOUGHTS OF EMPIRE
Salonga explains Sabah claim
In September 2002, Raissa Robles wrote that Arroyo pledged to help the heirs of the late Sultan Jamalul Kiram II on their claim.
In February 2013, she might have fulfilled that pledge despite knowing this:
Please read it here…
http://www.scmp.com/article/392296/arroyo-pledges-help-sabah-claimants
In April 1989:
On that day too:
In February 2013, with perceived futile peaceful efforts in their claim and with perceived marginalization from peace talks, the Sultanate having mustered an army for their Sabah homecoming practically went home to their land.
Please read the news here:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1370&dat=19890408&id=HqclAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kQsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2530,1334482
March 2, 2013…
Prof. Harry Roque said Philippine documents to support the Sabah claim got burned, especially about the Lease of Sabah to Malaysia (not transfer of ownership). He relies on Malaysian documents which he hopes will surface when the case is filed with the ICJ. Those were the same documents Malaysia had provided the ICJ with her territorial dispute against Indonesia. (Live interview on “Pasada 630 Sabado” on March 2, 2013)
I believe the DOJ is gearing up to finally go to the ICJ for the settlement of the issue.
Bottom line is…
Malaysia will just repeat what she said in this document she submitted to the ICJ:
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/102/10809.pdf?PHPSESSID=5c19dbe8e80c861d3384398fb1043fca
Overcoming Malaysia’s arguments will persuade the Court to side with the Philippines, that is, if this Philippine Sabah claim will get to see the light of day in the ICJ.
I pray and hope, still, that the ICJ will eventually settle the issue.
However, the burnt documents (according to Prof. Harry Roque) which left us without proof of our claim and the contemporary International Law thinking that self-determination (UN-sanctioned Sabahan referendum in 1963) negates even true historical claims are legal hurdles the Philippines must contend with.
Again, pragmatism versus idealism is pitted against each other.
I believe Tita Cory and former DFA head Raul Manglapus already saw the “equation” before in their decision to drop the Sabah claim. The HOR then realized it too.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1370&dat=19890418&id=KKclAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kQsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3446,3090830
The Senate then, I believe, was the stumbling block…
Letting the Sabah claim, that the present Constitution allows, remain in the back burner for several years more…
much the same way as the fate of the constitutionally-provided anti-political dynasty…the “back burner policy” at work!
thanks, baycas!
The issue is involves Sabahans too. What do they want? That’s what Kiram. Malaysia, and Philippines cannot ignore. Because the right to self-determination of peoples is now the gold standard for political status. Secondly, the heirs of the Sultan claim they own Sabah by historic title etc. There is another development in political thought – the right of indigenous people to their lands. Native title is what some call it. Although the kirams can claim that they owned sabah even before the existence of the republics of the Philippines and Malaysia, Sabah was already inhabited by more than a dozen tribes. They predate the kirams and the brunei sultanate. So that’s another thing the kiram’s will have to address as far as their pqnership claim is concerned. So ayan – self-determination and native titles are two of the things that stand in the way of Malaysia and the Philippines laying claim over Sabah and native title against the ownership claim of the kirams.
There is no doubt that there is a document between the kirams and the brits. There is dispute over itstranslation. To the kirams and the Phil govt. it was a lease agreement so the annual payments are rent and paying rent is proof that it was a lease. To Malaysia and the brits it was cession and the annual payments are perpetual subsidy in exchange for the cession and so the annual payments are proof of subsidy. Mag-aaway tayo dyan hanggang pumuti ang ating mga mata. Pwede din magkasundo tayo kung sino ang sovereign at ang may-ari ng Sabah. Pero magkasundo man tayo, kung ayaw ng mga Sabahans magpailalim o sumanib sa Pilipinas o sa Malaysia o di kaya gusto nilang maging independent, ang desisyon ay nasa Sabahans. Ang karapatan bilang peoples, ang karapatan pang tao, ay nasa kanila at hindi sa mga ibang gobyerno. Kung hindi natin kikilalahin ang karapatan ng mga sabahan mag desisyon sa kanilang political status, ibinabalik natin ang kapanahunan ng colonialismo. Ginagawa natin yun Philippine American War bilang isang Insurrection lang at binabalewala natin ang sakripisyo ng ginawa ng ating mga ninuno sa pagatalsik sa mga kastila at pagtatag ng isang estadong independyente.
masalimuot!
Kaya nanggugulo na lang sila…
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/photo/33470/sultan-s-daughter-feeds-media-fake-image-of-malaysian-casualties
Talagang napakasalimuot…
Una, pumayag ang Malaysia at ang Pilipinas sa time ni gloria arroyo na kilalanin si Jamalul Kiram III bilang Sultan ng Sulu.
May duda naman ngayon kung siya ang sultan.
Pangalawa, matagal nang pumayag ang Malaysia at ang Pilipinas sa SELF-DETERMINATION.
Mayroon nang referendum noong 1963. Ito ang panghahawakan ng Malaysia malamang. Takot ang Malaysia dahil napakarami ng Pilipino sa Sabah. Posible pa ang “sailing voters”.
Ang Pilipinas naman maaaring gugustuhing magkaroon ng panibagong referendum (self-determination).
Ang STANDOFF na noon ay siya pa ring STANDOFF ngayon.
Will another 50 years help???
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http://ojs.philippinestudies.net/index.php/ps/article/download/1004/990
Umwelten and the Sabah crisis. http://thenutbox.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/umwelten-and-the-sabah-dispute/
I agree with baycas, it will still be an impasse if our historical and contemporary view will not change. Instead of myopic path towards a political confrontation on national boundaries, both govt should be creative in recognizing that this is a human rights issue involving social and economic injustice done to a tribal generation whose claims to piece of land transcend both national boundaries and historical antecedents.
Sino ba talaga ang, “MALI SIYA“?
Eh, lahat UNILATERAL naman!
Ito pa…
STANDOFF!
IMPASSE!
Oo, unilateral nga ang mga posisyon. Pero sino ba dapat ang kampihan ko na alam kong tama. Ang PILIPINAS, siyempre!
Sapagka’t alam kong MALI SIYA…
bakit hindi genuine ang botohan?
@gabby ;=( according to one Jay Caedo, the self-determination survey was conducted by British officials and submitted only 1,600 consensus representing Christians elite communities not entire residents of Sabahans. It was recommended that the UN team should conduct the votation. Presently, there are about 800K migrants filipino workers and inhabitants who have been there since time immemorial.
@joj
why do we expect anything different from a new plebiscite?
@GabbyD,
Hindi siya referendum. Survey lang siya.
Awaiting moderation pa ni Angela ang explanation…
@baycas,
whatever it is, why do we think that there is a chance that they want to be filipinos? shouldnt there be a movement to that effect?
Perhaps it’s just wishful thinking.
Besides…
Historically, self-determination was not genuinely consummated.
(Now, that statement is quite ironical or paradoxical because “self-determination” presently trumps “historical claims”.)
Mong Palatino: “The timing of the violence in Sabah – during election season in both Malaysia and the Philippines – has created an atmosphere in which everything that political actors involved in the drama say or do can be reduced to an election stunt.
“In normal circumstances, conspiracy theories can be readily dismissed. The picture is blurred, however, when the sources of such theories are no less than the president and prime minister of two neighboring countries.” http://thediplomat.com/asean-beat/2013/03/06/conspiracy-theories-surround-violence-in-sabah/
Mga paglilinaw din…
1. Walang nangyaring Sabah referendum noong 1963.
http://www.cpiasia.net/english/dmdocuments/The%20Kitingan%20Case,%20The%20Borneo%20States,%20and%20The%20Malaysian%20Constitution.pdf
2. Ito pa (Salamat @saxnviolins.)…
http://borneoherald.blogspot.com/2013/03/there-was-no-sabah-referendum.html
3. Survey lang ang nangyari noong 1963 para magkaroon ng “self-determination” (Salamat @Rene-Ipil.).
http://borneoherald.blogspot.com/2013/03/malaysia-you-failed-us.html
4. Ito ang pahapyaw na pamamaraan ng survey na inilahad ni Dr. Kitingan (Salamat @TonGuE-tWisTeD).
http://borneoherald.blogspot.com/2013/03/pm-must-guarantee-safety-and-restore.html
5. At ito pa…survey lang siya na irregular at naisakatuparan sa maigsing panahon…
http://ojs.philippinestudies.net/index.php/ps/article/download/1004/990
Sabah history by Rev. Fr. Pacifico A. Ortiz written in 1963…with my emphasis and italicized annotations:
http://ojs.philippinestudies.net/index.php/ps/article/download/2653/5296
Sabi ng mga Suluks living in Sabah : Nananhimik kami dito. Don’t bring your war to us.
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/56809/other-voices–sabah-suluks-dont-bring-your-war-to-us