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		<title>By: criticism, feudalism, freedom &#124; RadikalChick</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-91983</link>
		<dc:creator>criticism, feudalism, freedom &#124; RadikalChick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] swipe this from stuartsantiago, sections of poet Ricky de Ungria&#8217;s speech on publishing in the regional languages delivered [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Teo</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Teo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naku. Kung anuman, sana&#039;y manatiling buhay ang blog na ito, na naging isang sentro na ng chikahan ng mga bloggers na may iba&#039;t ibang kakayahan. Hehe. Fan mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naku. Kung anuman, sana&#8217;y manatiling buhay ang blog na ito, na naging isang sentro na ng chikahan ng mga bloggers na may iba&#8217;t ibang kakayahan. Hehe. Fan mode.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nick invited me to join fv some months ago and i thanked him but declined because i have only so much time and mind for blogging. solipsism?  quite the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nick invited me to join fv some months ago and i thanked him but declined because i have only so much time and mind for blogging. solipsism?  quite the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB Rizalist</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-563</link>
		<dc:creator>DJB Rizalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like some of Ricky de Ungria&#039;s poetry, but I think some of what you quoted borders on the solipsism that so infects the Left with an arrogant self-loathing, for example:

&quot;. . . . If, as with the fate of colonized countries, the colonial language remains the main means of intellectual discourse and knowledge creation, …in our particular case there still appears to be no decent intellectual discourse and knowledge creation in English, or our version of it, even in Manila, and still lesser, though emergent (the word “inchoate” came to mind) discourse has come about in Filipino. . . .”

What could be more &quot;inchoate&quot; (and unconscious) than to criticize the inability to create &quot;decent intellectual discourse&quot;  using  &quot;the colonial language&quot; whilst using the colonial language to do it?

Personally, I am proud to be connected to Filipino Voices, where you never know how your writing will be received, or, and this is more important, whether it will matter to the readers. 

Unless you yourself are willing to take that risk, you risk falling into solipsism.  When you think you are ready and that your ideas can infect others from sheer merit, coherence, persuasiveness, then you will be ready to join Filipino Voices. 

What I think we fail to see is that the topology of this medium ensures that &quot;No Blog Is An Island&quot; (not even MLQ3) though some seem fervently to wish it. 

It is the unmitigated desire of many Filipinos to be unique. When we get over that, then paradoxically we will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like some of Ricky de Ungria&#8217;s poetry, but I think some of what you quoted borders on the solipsism that so infects the Left with an arrogant self-loathing, for example:</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . . If, as with the fate of colonized countries, the colonial language remains the main means of intellectual discourse and knowledge creation, …in our particular case there still appears to be no decent intellectual discourse and knowledge creation in English, or our version of it, even in Manila, and still lesser, though emergent (the word “inchoate” came to mind) discourse has come about in Filipino. . . .”</p>
<p>What could be more &#8220;inchoate&#8221; (and unconscious) than to criticize the inability to create &#8220;decent intellectual discourse&#8221;  using  &#8220;the colonial language&#8221; whilst using the colonial language to do it?</p>
<p>Personally, I am proud to be connected to Filipino Voices, where you never know how your writing will be received, or, and this is more important, whether it will matter to the readers. </p>
<p>Unless you yourself are willing to take that risk, you risk falling into solipsism.  When you think you are ready and that your ideas can infect others from sheer merit, coherence, persuasiveness, then you will be ready to join Filipino Voices. </p>
<p>What I think we fail to see is that the topology of this medium ensures that &#8220;No Blog Is An Island&#8221; (not even MLQ3) though some seem fervently to wish it. </p>
<p>It is the unmitigated desire of many Filipinos to be unique. When we get over that, then paradoxically we will be.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-562</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.filipinovoices.com/swimming-against-the-current-of-pinoy-nature#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;filipino voices&lt;/a&gt; some have, like nick (September 26, 2008 @ 9:06 pm), tagged me as &quot;defeatist&quot;, even &quot;defeated,&quot; for advising nick to  &quot;scrap the manifesto...&quot; lol. that&#039;s what i get for trying to be nice. i thought i was letting nick off easy.  for the record, &quot;scrap the manifesto...&quot; (September 26, 2008 @ 12:27 pm) was my response to his admission that he&#039;s &quot;a kindergarten student masquerading as an intellectual&quot; (September 24, 2008 @ 9:40 pm). my way of saying, kung ganoon, huwag na lang mag-ilusyon, hindi mo (pa) kaya, be happy with what you&#039;ve achieved, masaya naman as is.  hey, i was/am just being realistic.  leading a collective like filipino voices up a mountain of lofty goals, and sustaining the movement, requires nothing less than intellectual grounding and maturity and perspicacity. now if it were &lt;a href=&quot;http://philippinecommentary.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;djb&lt;/a&gt;, well, that would be another matter. that would be really interesting, even exciting -- that is, of course, if he can manage to be objective about the left. hope springs eternal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over at <a href="http://www.filipinovoices.com/swimming-against-the-current-of-pinoy-nature#comments" rel="nofollow">filipino voices</a> some have, like nick (September 26, 2008 @ 9:06 pm), tagged me as &#8220;defeatist&#8221;, even &#8220;defeated,&#8221; for advising nick to  &#8220;scrap the manifesto&#8230;&#8221; lol. that&#8217;s what i get for trying to be nice. i thought i was letting nick off easy.  for the record, &#8220;scrap the manifesto&#8230;&#8221; (September 26, 2008 @ 12:27 pm) was my response to his admission that he&#8217;s &#8220;a kindergarten student masquerading as an intellectual&#8221; (September 24, 2008 @ 9:40 pm). my way of saying, kung ganoon, huwag na lang mag-ilusyon, hindi mo (pa) kaya, be happy with what you&#8217;ve achieved, masaya naman as is.  hey, i was/am just being realistic.  leading a collective like filipino voices up a mountain of lofty goals, and sustaining the movement, requires nothing less than intellectual grounding and maturity and perspicacity. now if it were <a href="http://philippinecommentary.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">djb</a>, well, that would be another matter. that would be really interesting, even exciting &#8212; that is, of course, if he can manage to be objective about the left. hope springs eternal.</p>
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		<title>By: Swimming against the current of Pinoy nature &#124; Filipino Voices</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>Swimming against the current of Pinoy nature &#124; Filipino Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had quite a lot to say about Nick&#8217;s attempt to come up with a manifesto for Filipino Voices. The bottom line of all [...] </description>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good luck ;)</description>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela, this is the most defeatist statement I&#039;ve heard in a while.

Strive to make a difference or cease altogether and be happy with the status quo, with stagnation, because people say and think one cannot?

You point out obstacles as if they are bound by the laws of physics...

In any case, your criticism is noted.  I do not agree.  Except only with the suggestion made by Teo.

Scrap the manifesto?  I say improve on it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela, this is the most defeatist statement I&#8217;ve heard in a while.</p>
<p>Strive to make a difference or cease altogether and be happy with the status quo, with stagnation, because people say and think one cannot?</p>
<p>You point out obstacles as if they are bound by the laws of physics&#8230;</p>
<p>In any case, your criticism is noted.  I do not agree.  Except only with the suggestion made by Teo.</p>
<p>Scrap the manifesto?  I say improve on it..</p>
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		<title>By: Teo</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-558</link>
		<dc:creator>Teo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YM ba ito? Ang bilis ng sagot! Hehe. 

So iniisip mong magsusulat ako ng ganito? Sa totoo lang, ang lupit ng banat mo. Hehe. Hindi ko kakayaning isulat. Pero totoo. Hehe. 

True, kahit paano. Hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YM ba ito? Ang bilis ng sagot! Hehe. </p>
<p>So iniisip mong magsusulat ako ng ganito? Sa totoo lang, ang lupit ng banat mo. Hehe. Hindi ko kakayaning isulat. Pero totoo. Hehe. </p>
<p>True, kahit paano. Hehe.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-557</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>teo: ang tagal mo kasi, so inunahan na kita, hehe.  okey nga ang mungkahi mo, makakatulong kahit paano ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>teo: ang tagal mo kasi, so inunahan na kita, hehe.  okey nga ang mungkahi mo, makakatulong kahit paano ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Teo</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Teo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naku, kontrobersyal itong entri mo, Angela. Hehe. 

Tinitingnan ko rin pana-panahon ang Filipino Voices, para malaman kung ano ang pinag-uusapan ng ilan sa mga nag-iisip sa bansa, at kung ano ang pinakamatalas nilang naiisip tungkol sa mga paksa nila. 

Pero totoo nga ang mga punto mo. 

Pero may mungkahi ako. Kasi, madalas, pare-pareho ang paksa ng iba&#039;t ibang nagsusulat sa FV. Baka makatulong lang na kapag natapos ang isang bugso ng pagsusulat sa isang paksa, baka pwedeng may nagsusulat doon na maitalagang mag-sum up ng mga punto.

Syempre, malamang, opinionated pa rin ang pag-sum up. Pero baka lang makatulong. Kung gustong magpalalim ng nagbabasa, tsaka siya pupunta sa mismong entri.

Sa porma iyan -- na tingin ko, madaling matatanggap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naku, kontrobersyal itong entri mo, Angela. Hehe. </p>
<p>Tinitingnan ko rin pana-panahon ang Filipino Voices, para malaman kung ano ang pinag-uusapan ng ilan sa mga nag-iisip sa bansa, at kung ano ang pinakamatalas nilang naiisip tungkol sa mga paksa nila. </p>
<p>Pero totoo nga ang mga punto mo. </p>
<p>Pero may mungkahi ako. Kasi, madalas, pare-pareho ang paksa ng iba&#8217;t ibang nagsusulat sa FV. Baka makatulong lang na kapag natapos ang isang bugso ng pagsusulat sa isang paksa, baka pwedeng may nagsusulat doon na maitalagang mag-sum up ng mga punto.</p>
<p>Syempre, malamang, opinionated pa rin ang pag-sum up. Pero baka lang makatulong. Kung gustong magpalalim ng nagbabasa, tsaka siya pupunta sa mismong entri.</p>
<p>Sa porma iyan &#8212; na tingin ko, madaling matatanggap.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nick: gabbyd is spot on - fv&#039;s goals are just a tad lofty. scrap the manifesto. forget about making a difference or influencing the national discourse or doing better than mainstream media or climbing mountains a la martinlutherking. like cvj and marck say, happy naman sila the way it is, which works naman, fv gets a lot of traffic, di ba.  and isnt that what counts in the blogosphere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nick: gabbyd is spot on &#8211; fv&#8217;s goals are just a tad lofty. scrap the manifesto. forget about making a difference or influencing the national discourse or doing better than mainstream media or climbing mountains a la martinlutherking. like cvj and marck say, happy naman sila the way it is, which works naman, fv gets a lot of traffic, di ba.  and isnt that what counts in the blogosphere?</p>
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		<title>By: GabbyD</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-554</link>
		<dc:creator>GabbyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>indeed, perhaps FV&#039;s goals are a tad lofty. I can&#039;t imagine a single weblog being able to generate consensus. It isn&#039;t designed to generate consensus. Its about writing your own opinions.

Well there is a comments section. Comments should be encouraged. Spam should be shut down. To be more conversational, maybe they can program-in a &#039;reply to&#039; feature. When that becomes cumbersome, a followup post is useful. 

Lastly, blogs are incredibly partisan, so i don&#039;t know if any individual blogger will change its opinion, or &#039;synthesize&#039; to use a fancier term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>indeed, perhaps FV&#8217;s goals are a tad lofty. I can&#8217;t imagine a single weblog being able to generate consensus. It isn&#8217;t designed to generate consensus. Its about writing your own opinions.</p>
<p>Well there is a comments section. Comments should be encouraged. Spam should be shut down. To be more conversational, maybe they can program-in a &#8216;reply to&#8217; feature. When that becomes cumbersome, a followup post is useful. </p>
<p>Lastly, blogs are incredibly partisan, so i don&#8217;t know if any individual blogger will change its opinion, or &#8216;synthesize&#8217; to use a fancier term.</p>
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		<title>By: marocharim</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>marocharim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela:

I never thought of it that way...  but hey, I like writing as much as I like &quot;chaos.&quot;

But if anything, as an FV contributor, I should take the cudgels and criticisms for it as well.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela:</p>
<p>I never thought of it that way&#8230;  but hey, I like writing as much as I like &#8220;chaos.&#8221;</p>
<p>But if anything, as an FV contributor, I should take the cudgels and criticisms for it as well.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free wheeling.. no, just freedom to write.  Not confined or restricted to an editor which mandates only certain topics for a certain writer.

If any criticism within your article can be taken with 100% full agreement was the cynicism with which you make on the time it took to arrive at such a manifesto.  I agree.

In another instance, you also miss another point that FV is trying to make strides in, and that is the need for more people to be active in the discussion.  If for any other reason than this, that we can bring more individuals, who have gone the way of apathy, into the fold, I think it is yet another success with which we should be happy about.

Angela, I respect you very much, I am always hopeful you can contribute your two centavos on any issues, and even towards FV in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free wheeling.. no, just freedom to write.  Not confined or restricted to an editor which mandates only certain topics for a certain writer.</p>
<p>If any criticism within your article can be taken with 100% full agreement was the cynicism with which you make on the time it took to arrive at such a manifesto.  I agree.</p>
<p>In another instance, you also miss another point that FV is trying to make strides in, and that is the need for more people to be active in the discussion.  If for any other reason than this, that we can bring more individuals, who have gone the way of apathy, into the fold, I think it is yet another success with which we should be happy about.</p>
<p>Angela, I respect you very much, I am always hopeful you can contribute your two centavos on any issues, and even towards FV in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/of-intellectual-doldrums-filipino-voices/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela, thank you for the criticism, although I would have appreciated a bit more constructive criticism, rather than just criticism outright.  But, in it, I see the point that is made.

In any case, I did not, nor have I advocated endless debate as a means of providing a solution to the issues that are to be discussed.

Mind you Angela, that it has only been six months, and we can never fully realize the potential of such an endeavor at such an early stage.

I appreciate the feedback, and would like your input as to how we should proceed.

I&#039;ve been called out. Yes, I&#039;m a kindergarten student masquerading as an intellectual.  I don&#039;t need to be pretentious, I have merely put out there a &quot;draft&quot; with which further discussion and input made, and that which maybe, we could arrive, as you may suggest, a dialectic outcome.  If that is being pretentious, then so be it.  My intentions were nothing more, nothing less.

I may be way over my head, if so, would it be so bad to get some help.

What say you, as to the proper course to take?

In any case, it&#039;s a challenge that I am all too willing to take.  Even if it&#039;s way over my head, I am all too willing to ask for help... Which is why I put it out there.  For such criticism I am all too willing to bear, if it moves us forward to something that we can truly say will be of help in providing critical thinking, as the speech you have provided asks for.  And in the end, as even Benign0 pointed out, move towards a resolution on issues with which we can have common ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela, thank you for the criticism, although I would have appreciated a bit more constructive criticism, rather than just criticism outright.  But, in it, I see the point that is made.</p>
<p>In any case, I did not, nor have I advocated endless debate as a means of providing a solution to the issues that are to be discussed.</p>
<p>Mind you Angela, that it has only been six months, and we can never fully realize the potential of such an endeavor at such an early stage.</p>
<p>I appreciate the feedback, and would like your input as to how we should proceed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been called out. Yes, I&#8217;m a kindergarten student masquerading as an intellectual.  I don&#8217;t need to be pretentious, I have merely put out there a &#8220;draft&#8221; with which further discussion and input made, and that which maybe, we could arrive, as you may suggest, a dialectic outcome.  If that is being pretentious, then so be it.  My intentions were nothing more, nothing less.</p>
<p>I may be way over my head, if so, would it be so bad to get some help.</p>
<p>What say you, as to the proper course to take?</p>
<p>In any case, it&#8217;s a challenge that I am all too willing to take.  Even if it&#8217;s way over my head, I am all too willing to ask for help&#8230; Which is why I put it out there.  For such criticism I am all too willing to bear, if it moves us forward to something that we can truly say will be of help in providing critical thinking, as the speech you have provided asks for.  And in the end, as even Benign0 pointed out, move towards a resolution on issues with which we can have common ground.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a group blog, i think the danger of groupthink is greater than the danger from being &#039;inchoate&#039;.  Personally, i don&#039;t believe in trying to arrive at a synthesis on purpose because it would detract from the flow of the discussion, and more importantly, the value i get from FV is to test drive viewpoints which can later be used in the real world.  Any synthesis is up to the reader and if the bloggers/commenters arrive at such a state on any topic, that would be a bonus.  For now, i&#039;d be happy with any knowledge spillover effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a group blog, i think the danger of groupthink is greater than the danger from being &#8216;inchoate&#8217;.  Personally, i don&#8217;t believe in trying to arrive at a synthesis on purpose because it would detract from the flow of the discussion, and more importantly, the value i get from FV is to test drive viewpoints which can later be used in the real world.  Any synthesis is up to the reader and if the bloggers/commenters arrive at such a state on any topic, that would be a bonus.  For now, i&#8217;d be happy with any knowledge spillover effects.</p>
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