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		<title>By: The Marocharim Experiment &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Self-Imposed Political Blogging Moratorium</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marocharim Experiment &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Self-Imposed Political Blogging Moratorium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and perhaps the most important reason, is something I take from the cue of stuart-santiago: once a political person is given a political avenue to make a political viewpoint, everything [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Pinoy Blurker &#187; links for 2008-06-10</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinoy Blurker &#187; links for 2008-06-10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PinoyBlurker@PinoyBlogoSphere.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-06-10</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>PinoyBlurker@PinoyBlogoSphere.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-06-10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-06-10 &#171; PinoyBlurker @ PinoyBlogoSphere.com</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-06-10 &#171; PinoyBlurker @ PinoyBlogoSphere.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Teo</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Teo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hindi ko maintindihan bakit sinabi ni MLQ3 ang sinabi niya sa itaas. Katulad ito ng sinabi niya noon, na nakaka-antagonisa ang mga National Democrats sa buong united front na kontra-Gloria. 

Tapos itinabi pa sina Lenin at Mao kina Hitler at Pol Pot! How anti-communist can you get! Eh si Manuel L. Quezon, sino&#039;ng kahanay? Sana mabasa niya ang libro ni Slavoj Zizek, iyung Did Somebody Say Totalitarianism? At sana maunawaan niya ang pag-iiba ng mga ito. 

Masyado siyang sensitibo at takot sa Kaliwa -- tapos parang pinapalabas niyang sinasabi lang niya ang sentimyento ng middle class. Pero kapag Kaliwa ang nagsabing sentimyento ng masa ang sinasabi nito, todo-kuwestiyon siya.

Hindi kaya patunay ang ganyang pag-iisip ni MLQ3 -- at ang napaka-publikong pagsasabi niya ng ganyan -- ng tagumpay ng mga maka-Kanan sa rehimeng Arroyo? 

Sa dami ng nasabi ni Lozada, mahuhulaan mo na kung ano ang lugar ni Lenin sa pag-iisip niya. At hindi iyon tampok. So OA naman ito si MLQ3 para palakihin pa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hindi ko maintindihan bakit sinabi ni MLQ3 ang sinabi niya sa itaas. Katulad ito ng sinabi niya noon, na nakaka-antagonisa ang mga National Democrats sa buong united front na kontra-Gloria. </p>
<p>Tapos itinabi pa sina Lenin at Mao kina Hitler at Pol Pot! How anti-communist can you get! Eh si Manuel L. Quezon, sino&#8217;ng kahanay? Sana mabasa niya ang libro ni Slavoj Zizek, iyung Did Somebody Say Totalitarianism? At sana maunawaan niya ang pag-iiba ng mga ito. </p>
<p>Masyado siyang sensitibo at takot sa Kaliwa &#8212; tapos parang pinapalabas niyang sinasabi lang niya ang sentimyento ng middle class. Pero kapag Kaliwa ang nagsabing sentimyento ng masa ang sinasabi nito, todo-kuwestiyon siya.</p>
<p>Hindi kaya patunay ang ganyang pag-iisip ni MLQ3 &#8212; at ang napaka-publikong pagsasabi niya ng ganyan &#8212; ng tagumpay ng mga maka-Kanan sa rehimeng Arroyo? </p>
<p>Sa dami ng nasabi ni Lozada, mahuhulaan mo na kung ano ang lugar ni Lenin sa pag-iisip niya. At hindi iyon tampok. So OA naman ito si MLQ3 para palakihin pa.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PSImeon, umm...someone correct me if i&#039;m wrong, but i gather it has to do nga with the palpable attitude among some bloggers who, having been noticed by the noted blogger, over-estimate the worth of their opinions and presume to know better about this and that, when really they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PSImeon, umm&#8230;someone correct me if i&#8217;m wrong, but i gather it has to do nga with the palpable attitude among some bloggers who, having been noticed by the noted blogger, over-estimate the worth of their opinions and presume to know better about this and that, when really they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: PSImeon</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>PSImeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand an &#039;elitist blogosphere.&#039; I think this is an oxymoron considering that the internet (and its derivative services)is supposed to empower everyone with access to a network. 

Jun Lozada, like any Jane or Joe, has all the right and freedom to blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand an &#8216;elitist blogosphere.&#8217; I think this is an oxymoron considering that the internet (and its derivative services)is supposed to empower everyone with access to a network. </p>
<p>Jun Lozada, like any Jane or Joe, has all the right and freedom to blog.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianB, i agree, nothing useful so far, but maybe let&#039;s give him some time. gorrell of course had the advantage of surprise as we had never heard of him or his story before he started blogging. jun lozada, in contrast, was over-exposed na in mainstream media, so talaga he has to dig deeper and find something new to say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianB, i agree, nothing useful so far, but maybe let&#8217;s give him some time. gorrell of course had the advantage of surprise as we had never heard of him or his story before he started blogging. jun lozada, in contrast, was over-exposed na in mainstream media, so talaga he has to dig deeper and find something new to say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BrianB</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela, I find nothing useful in Lozada&#039;s blog. He says nothing he couldn&#039;t have said in one of those situations wherein a mic is in front of him. With that said, and even though both sides find this man unworthy of his hero status (only the middle, i believe, thinks he&#039;s a hero), I find his first post so typical of blogs. It&#039;s so typical, it makes me think he is writing just to belong. Compare his rather artificial &quot;blogging&quot; to Gorrell&#039;s uber-sincere style....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela, I find nothing useful in Lozada&#8217;s blog. He says nothing he couldn&#8217;t have said in one of those situations wherein a mic is in front of him. With that said, and even though both sides find this man unworthy of his hero status (only the middle, i believe, thinks he&#8217;s a hero), I find his first post so typical of blogs. It&#8217;s so typical, it makes me think he is writing just to belong. Compare his rather artificial &#8220;blogging&#8221; to Gorrell&#8217;s uber-sincere style&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-341</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course and there&#039;s the danger of being content with &quot;tolerating&quot; the left as if they&#039;re pandas to be penned in and protected but only if they stay within their &quot;protected area.&quot; 

but i do think it&#039;s valid to point out that if you&#039;re articulating a platform, certain things will get in the way of its success if you&#039;re not careful. the success of ermita and company is they can instinctively latch on to the establishment&#039;s thinking, which is more widespread than some would like to accept. we deserve to know lozada&#039;s views have been influenced by lenin and rizal, what makes him interesting is he can combine the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course and there&#8217;s the danger of being content with &#8220;tolerating&#8221; the left as if they&#8217;re pandas to be penned in and protected but only if they stay within their &#8220;protected area.&#8221; </p>
<p>but i do think it&#8217;s valid to point out that if you&#8217;re articulating a platform, certain things will get in the way of its success if you&#8217;re not careful. the success of ermita and company is they can instinctively latch on to the establishment&#8217;s thinking, which is more widespread than some would like to accept. we deserve to know lozada&#8217;s views have been influenced by lenin and rizal, what makes him interesting is he can combine the two.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but that&#039;s such a knee-jerk establishment-kind of reaction, something i&#039;d expect from ed ermita or the gonzalez duo. lozada did not even have to mention lenin as the source of the concept but he did, he was being honest, just as you are when when you quote the mad anarchist nietzsche whom the nazis so loved they built him a monument. i think the blogosphere could set an example and show some openness to good ideas from the left.  the solution to any conflict, the scientist mystic carl jung said, lies not exclusively in either extreme, the right or the left, but in the creative coming together of the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but that&#8217;s such a knee-jerk establishment-kind of reaction, something i&#8217;d expect from ed ermita or the gonzalez duo. lozada did not even have to mention lenin as the source of the concept but he did, he was being honest, just as you are when when you quote the mad anarchist nietzsche whom the nazis so loved they built him a monument. i think the blogosphere could set an example and show some openness to good ideas from the left.  the solution to any conflict, the scientist mystic carl jung said, lies not exclusively in either extreme, the right or the left, but in the creative coming together of the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s about me. Then, you.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose &#187; Blog Archive &#187; It&#8217;s about me. Then, you.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 09:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/battle-of-the-blogs/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a matter of who you are trying to encourage to join your side. aside from lenin, mao spoke truths too, as did hitler and possibly pol pot. but if j&#039;lo&#039;s precise purpose was to reassure certain sectors that they wouldn&#039;t end up boat people like vietnam&#039;s middle class, then it just seems to me bringing up lenin is counter-productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a matter of who you are trying to encourage to join your side. aside from lenin, mao spoke truths too, as did hitler and possibly pol pot. but if j&#8217;lo&#8217;s precise purpose was to reassure certain sectors that they wouldn&#8217;t end up boat people like vietnam&#8217;s middle class, then it just seems to me bringing up lenin is counter-productive.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i get it, tonyo, not linking or identifying was part of your message ;) yeah i&#039;ve done that too.

re that post raising the specter of a crackdown, and fears of collateral damage - my initial reaction was, sobra namang praning, kasisimula pa lang ni jun lozada mag-blog, we don&#039;t even know that he&#039;s really up to it, or that he has anything new to say on a daily/regular basis that would merit such fears.  but the fact that the blog is getting quite a lot of traffic is the thing, i suppose, that really freaks out those who don&#039;t like him in the first place and who may begrudge him the instant &quot;success.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i get it, tonyo, not linking or identifying was part of your message ;) yeah i&#8217;ve done that too.</p>
<p>re that post raising the specter of a crackdown, and fears of collateral damage &#8211; my initial reaction was, sobra namang praning, kasisimula pa lang ni jun lozada mag-blog, we don&#8217;t even know that he&#8217;s really up to it, or that he has anything new to say on a daily/regular basis that would merit such fears.  but the fact that the blog is getting quite a lot of traffic is the thing, i suppose, that really freaks out those who don&#8217;t like him in the first place and who may begrudge him the instant &#8220;success.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonyo, i was also concerned when Benj raised his fear of &#039;collateral damage&#039; but he did explicitly deny afterwards that he was preventing Lozada from blogging so i&#039;m taking his word for it.  Another way of looking at his reaction is that the concept of &lt;i&gt;democratic space&lt;/i&gt; (in contrast with genuine democracy), which was controversial when it was first introduced by the Left after EDSA &#039;86, has now become part of the Middle Class&#039; Conventional Wisdom.   So the idea that you fear might be &#039;legitimated&#039; (via linking) actually stems from an idea that your camp (i.e. the Left) has introduced sometime back.  In effect, Benj was saying &#039;Paano naman ang democratic space ko, kung saka-sakali?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonyo, i was also concerned when Benj raised his fear of &#8216;collateral damage&#8217; but he did explicitly deny afterwards that he was preventing Lozada from blogging so i&#8217;m taking his word for it.  Another way of looking at his reaction is that the concept of <i>democratic space</i> (in contrast with genuine democracy), which was controversial when it was first introduced by the Left after EDSA &#8217;86, has now become part of the Middle Class&#8217; Conventional Wisdom.   So the idea that you fear might be &#8216;legitimated&#8217; (via linking) actually stems from an idea that your camp (i.e. the Left) has introduced sometime back.  In effect, Benj was saying &#8216;Paano naman ang democratic space ko, kung saka-sakali?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: tonyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Identifying the person/s and linking to their posts would have defeated the very point I wish to raise. The omission of the name/s and post/s was therefore intentional. In the blogosphere, (cross-)linking is a matter of recognition and legitimization. I do not wish to link my blog to what I consider perverse ideas but I would insist on my right to react in a manner and tone I see fit.

The varied reactions to Bloggers Kapihan&#039;s blog evangelism (starting with Lozada last week and Among Ed later this morning) are all interesting. But some wittingly or unwittingly seek to limit the choices in our so-called marketplace of ideas and put out a &quot;scenario&quot; or two. 

Take the scenario that Lozada&#039;s blog may incite a crackdown as an example.

Knowing what already happened to Lozada, such a crackdown may actually happen. Those with truly democratic and pro-free speech instincts would INSTANTLY AND WITHOUT DOUBT expose and fight ANY crackdown. They would consider such an attack as an assault not just on Lozada but on all citizens. 

FOR IN RAISING THE SPECTER OF A CRACKDOWN THAT MAY ARISE FROM THE LAUNCH OF THE BLOGS OF JUN LOZADA AND AMONG ED, some bloggers expose themselves to have already been successfully conditioned to accepting as natural what the Arroyo government has been doing to dissent and dissenters. They are wittingly or unwittingly spreading a culture of fear and impunity -- apart from insipid thinking as members of a self-styled aristocracy in the blogosphere. 

Pasensya na kayo at natamaan talaga ang raw nerve ko.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Identifying the person/s and linking to their posts would have defeated the very point I wish to raise. The omission of the name/s and post/s was therefore intentional. In the blogosphere, (cross-)linking is a matter of recognition and legitimization. I do not wish to link my blog to what I consider perverse ideas but I would insist on my right to react in a manner and tone I see fit.</p>
<p>The varied reactions to Bloggers Kapihan&#8217;s blog evangelism (starting with Lozada last week and Among Ed later this morning) are all interesting. But some wittingly or unwittingly seek to limit the choices in our so-called marketplace of ideas and put out a &#8220;scenario&#8221; or two. </p>
<p>Take the scenario that Lozada&#8217;s blog may incite a crackdown as an example.</p>
<p>Knowing what already happened to Lozada, such a crackdown may actually happen. Those with truly democratic and pro-free speech instincts would INSTANTLY AND WITHOUT DOUBT expose and fight ANY crackdown. They would consider such an attack as an assault not just on Lozada but on all citizens. </p>
<p>FOR IN RAISING THE SPECTER OF A CRACKDOWN THAT MAY ARISE FROM THE LAUNCH OF THE BLOGS OF JUN LOZADA AND AMONG ED, some bloggers expose themselves to have already been successfully conditioned to accepting as natural what the Arroyo government has been doing to dissent and dissenters. They are wittingly or unwittingly spreading a culture of fear and impunity &#8212; apart from insipid thinking as members of a self-styled aristocracy in the blogosphere. </p>
<p>Pasensya na kayo at natamaan talaga ang raw nerve ko.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the non-confrontational style is an asian thing. but the &#039;parinig&#039; gimik is pinoy. interesting. ayaw natin maka-offend pero ayaw din nating palampasin without comment, so we make parinig, batobato sa langit style.  maybe it means there&#039;s hope for pinoys ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the non-confrontational style is an asian thing. but the &#8216;parinig&#8217; gimik is pinoy. interesting. ayaw natin maka-offend pero ayaw din nating palampasin without comment, so we make parinig, batobato sa langit style.  maybe it means there&#8217;s hope for pinoys ;)</p>
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