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		<title>By: Weekend Treat With Fiascos, Comic Judge and Crazy Stuffs</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekend Treat With Fiascos, Comic Judge and Crazy Stuffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Martin Nievera’s Philippine National Anthem FiascoAngela Stuart-Santiago’s Anthem AngstDear Bloggery’s Martin Nievera and the Lupang HinirangThe Struggling Blogger’s  Aside From Manny [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Martin Nievera’s Philippine National Anthem FiascoAngela Stuart-Santiago’s Anthem AngstDear Bloggery’s Martin Nievera and the Lupang HinirangThe Struggling Blogger’s  Aside From Manny [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tiaongero789</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1435</link>
		<dc:creator>tiaongero789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 09:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very well said ms. santiago. a national anthem is not and cannot be subject to free interpretation unless they amend the law. hirap lang kasi, just because they do it in america, gaya-gaya tayo o baka naman martin is more american than filipino?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very well said ms. santiago. a national anthem is not and cannot be subject to free interpretation unless they amend the law. hirap lang kasi, just because they do it in america, gaya-gaya tayo o baka naman martin is more american than filipino?!</p>
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		<title>By: jojie-riyadh</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1434</link>
		<dc:creator>jojie-riyadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 09:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAXNVIOLINS: I AGREE TO DISAGREE. POINTS OF VIEW ARE LIKE SUN RAYS, THEY PIERCED THE VEIL OF PERSONAL BIAS ON THE SKIN LEVEL TOO TRIVIAL TO ENLIGHTEN AND BRIGTHEN THE ISSUES.

JOJIE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAXNVIOLINS: I AGREE TO DISAGREE. POINTS OF VIEW ARE LIKE SUN RAYS, THEY PIERCED THE VEIL OF PERSONAL BIAS ON THE SKIN LEVEL TOO TRIVIAL TO ENLIGHTEN AND BRIGTHEN THE ISSUES.</p>
<p>JOJIE</p>
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		<title>By: saxnviolins</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1433</link>
		<dc:creator>saxnviolins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 11:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jojie:

The US flag burning case says you cannot criminalize expression. I agree with the philosophy of that decision. 

The right-wing fascists were also making a big issue about candidate Obama&#039;s not wearing a US flag lapel, and not putting his hand over his heart like Dick Cheney. Right. Draft-evading Dick Cheney loves the US more than the flag-burner.

I still see no point in this control-freak&#039;s law. I have no intention of convincing you to my point of view; I am merely expressing it. We will just have to agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jojie:</p>
<p>The US flag burning case says you cannot criminalize expression. I agree with the philosophy of that decision. </p>
<p>The right-wing fascists were also making a big issue about candidate Obama&#8217;s not wearing a US flag lapel, and not putting his hand over his heart like Dick Cheney. Right. Draft-evading Dick Cheney loves the US more than the flag-burner.</p>
<p>I still see no point in this control-freak&#8217;s law. I have no intention of convincing you to my point of view; I am merely expressing it. We will just have to agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: jojie-riyadh</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator>jojie-riyadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 11:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saxnviolins :&gt;), the bill of rights entitle you to violate the provisions of the Constitutions while laws were instituted to harmonize, regulate and unify public order for the sake of the common good and never the individual interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saxnviolins :&gt;), the bill of rights entitle you to violate the provisions of the Constitutions while laws were instituted to harmonize, regulate and unify public order for the sake of the common good and never the individual interests.</p>
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		<title>By: saxnviolins</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1431</link>
		<dc:creator>saxnviolins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 10:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanctimonious control freaks - whoever crafted the law.

The US flag burner is as much a patriot as the police who arrested him. Jimi Hendrix and his flaming guitar loved the US as much as Mike Pidal loves the Philippines (ha ha ha ha).

Next, they will legislate how you and wife will prevent childbirth - rhythm and blues (abstinence) lang. 

Finally, they will legislate what you will read, and what you will think. Whether Wahhabi Islam or US Bible-belt Christian fundamentalism, any control freak is more dangerous than the &quot;disrespecting&quot; flag burner or out-of-tune singer of the anthem.

There may be different ways to express love for the country, but you cannot force people to agree with your way by legislating it.

Sieg Heil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanctimonious control freaks &#8211; whoever crafted the law.</p>
<p>The US flag burner is as much a patriot as the police who arrested him. Jimi Hendrix and his flaming guitar loved the US as much as Mike Pidal loves the Philippines (ha ha ha ha).</p>
<p>Next, they will legislate how you and wife will prevent childbirth &#8211; rhythm and blues (abstinence) lang. </p>
<p>Finally, they will legislate what you will read, and what you will think. Whether Wahhabi Islam or US Bible-belt Christian fundamentalism, any control freak is more dangerous than the &#8220;disrespecting&#8221; flag burner or out-of-tune singer of the anthem.</p>
<p>There may be different ways to express love for the country, but you cannot force people to agree with your way by legislating it.</p>
<p>Sieg Heil.</p>
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		<title>By: baycas</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1430</link>
		<dc:creator>baycas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 10:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember right, Martin somehow invoked his ignorance of the law.  Well, ignorance excuses no one, as they say…but we should raise the bar of “non-ignorance” when we speak of lawmakers…

I sure hope the 50 or so congressmen joined Martin in the singing of the National Anthem (just like the Britons participated while Sir Tom Jones is leading them).  Nationalists, “as they are,” those lawmakers should have stood at attention displaying the corresponding salute while singing “Lupang Hinirang” with fervor.  Singing the anthem as a group and in unison is better than just one person singing.

Again, stipulated in R.A. 8491…

“Section 36.  The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or &lt;b&gt;WITHOUT&lt;/b&gt; the country…

Section 38.  When the National Anthem is played at a public gathering, whether by a band or by singing or both, or reproduced by any means, the attending public &lt;b&gt;SHALL&lt;/b&gt; sing the anthem. The singing &lt;b&gt;MUST&lt;/b&gt; be done with fervor.

…At the first note, all persons &lt;b&gt;SHALL&lt;/b&gt; execute a salute by placing their right palms over their left chests.”
(Emphasis mine.)

However, come to think of it, how will the public (Filipinos, of course) join in the singing when the one who leads them is singing a different tune???

(Is that why there was promotion prior to the fight?  So the public may know beforehand?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember right, Martin somehow invoked his ignorance of the law.  Well, ignorance excuses no one, as they say…but we should raise the bar of “non-ignorance” when we speak of lawmakers…</p>
<p>I sure hope the 50 or so congressmen joined Martin in the singing of the National Anthem (just like the Britons participated while Sir Tom Jones is leading them).  Nationalists, “as they are,” those lawmakers should have stood at attention displaying the corresponding salute while singing “Lupang Hinirang” with fervor.  Singing the anthem as a group and in unison is better than just one person singing.</p>
<p>Again, stipulated in R.A. 8491…</p>
<p>“Section 36.  The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or <b>WITHOUT</b> the country…</p>
<p>Section 38.  When the National Anthem is played at a public gathering, whether by a band or by singing or both, or reproduced by any means, the attending public <b>SHALL</b> sing the anthem. The singing <b>MUST</b> be done with fervor.</p>
<p>…At the first note, all persons <b>SHALL</b> execute a salute by placing their right palms over their left chests.”<br />
(Emphasis mine.)</p>
<p>However, come to think of it, how will the public (Filipinos, of course) join in the singing when the one who leads them is singing a different tune???</p>
<p>(Is that why there was promotion prior to the fight?  So the public may know beforehand?)</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 09:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey orlando ;) &quot;balancing of interests&quot; indeed, but with a bias for the collective i would think.  the interests of the collective trumps the interests of martin the individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey orlando ;) &#8220;balancing of interests&#8221; indeed, but with a bias for the collective i would think.  the interests of the collective trumps the interests of martin the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 09:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey baycas ;) oo nga eh.  problematic yang republic act 8491.  its heart is in the right place, it protects the anthem and the flag but it&#039;s a little too strict.  puwedeng luwagan nang konti.  sa akin okay lang kantahin ang lupang hinirang in different versions sa small private gatherings, preferably with a pasintabi, so people know what to expect.  pero in public gatherings, esp. televised ones, the original dapat.... btw i&#039;m not saying that this is the best version, i&#039;m only saying that this is the official version.  puwedeng palitan pero kailangan pa iyon pag-usapan, mahabang proseso iyon, meanwhile lupang hinirang is it for pinoys of all ages, young and old, rich and poor, so please let&#039;s get the rules straight.  

i look forward to an amended r.a. 8491 that will allow artists to play around with the beat and the phrasing and the end notes for albums and concerts, why not.  one of these could turn out to be a version that would catch fire, win in a plebiscite, and inspire us in new ways.  

as for martin&#039;s boastful ways, talaga naman, ano.  he should just shut up.  he is so wrong about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey baycas ;) oo nga eh.  problematic yang republic act 8491.  its heart is in the right place, it protects the anthem and the flag but it&#8217;s a little too strict.  puwedeng luwagan nang konti.  sa akin okay lang kantahin ang lupang hinirang in different versions sa small private gatherings, preferably with a pasintabi, so people know what to expect.  pero in public gatherings, esp. televised ones, the original dapat&#8230;. btw i&#8217;m not saying that this is the best version, i&#8217;m only saying that this is the official version.  puwedeng palitan pero kailangan pa iyon pag-usapan, mahabang proseso iyon, meanwhile lupang hinirang is it for pinoys of all ages, young and old, rich and poor, so please let&#8217;s get the rules straight.  </p>
<p>i look forward to an amended r.a. 8491 that will allow artists to play around with the beat and the phrasing and the end notes for albums and concerts, why not.  one of these could turn out to be a version that would catch fire, win in a plebiscite, and inspire us in new ways.  </p>
<p>as for martin&#8217;s boastful ways, talaga naman, ano.  he should just shut up.  he is so wrong about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando R</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1427</link>
		<dc:creator>Orlando R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela,
A constitutional issue arises on the point where freedom of (musical) expression ends, which is where the right of the state to curtail it begins.  The Supreme Court has used a &quot;balancing of interests&quot; test.   Which is more important?  Is it Nievera&#039;s right to sing according to his &quot;artistic&quot; bent? Or is it the due respect owed to such national symbols as anthems and flags? But then, the issue can only be decided when a party questions the constitutionality of the anthem law.  On legal presumptions, Nievera has no case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela,<br />
A constitutional issue arises on the point where freedom of (musical) expression ends, which is where the right of the state to curtail it begins.  The Supreme Court has used a &#8220;balancing of interests&#8221; test.   Which is more important?  Is it Nievera&#8217;s right to sing according to his &#8220;artistic&#8221; bent? Or is it the due respect owed to such national symbols as anthems and flags? But then, the issue can only be decided when a party questions the constitutionality of the anthem law.  On legal presumptions, Nievera has no case.</p>
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		<title>By: baycas</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>baycas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Focus on the manner of singing was highlighted in MSM and blogs.  How about this one…

For what purpose was the &#039;preview&#039; at Robinson’s Place Manila (may be viewed at youtube) done last week of April 2009?  It took place here and I believe it&#039;s not a special occasion for singing the anthem as it was an album launch...

R.A. 8491 states...

&quot;SEC. 38.
The anthem shall not be played and sung for mere recreation,
amusement or entertainment purposes &lt;b&gt;except&lt;/b&gt; on the following
occasions:
(a) International competitions where the Philippines is the
host or has a representative;
(b) Local competitions;
(c) During the &#039;signing off&#039; and &#039;signing on&#039; of radio
broadcasting and television stations;
(d) Before the initial and last screening of films and before
the opening of theater performances; and
(e) Other occasions as may be allowed by the Institute.&quot;
(Emphasis mine.)

Martin’s pre-fight boastful promotion of his performance was even on print media (written by Joaquin Henson) last Saturday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Focus on the manner of singing was highlighted in MSM and blogs.  How about this one…</p>
<p>For what purpose was the &#8216;preview&#8217; at Robinson’s Place Manila (may be viewed at youtube) done last week of April 2009?  It took place here and I believe it&#8217;s not a special occasion for singing the anthem as it was an album launch&#8230;</p>
<p>R.A. 8491 states&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;SEC. 38.<br />
The anthem shall not be played and sung for mere recreation,<br />
amusement or entertainment purposes <b>except</b> on the following<br />
occasions:<br />
(a) International competitions where the Philippines is the<br />
host or has a representative;<br />
(b) Local competitions;<br />
(c) During the &#8216;signing off&#8217; and &#8216;signing on&#8217; of radio<br />
broadcasting and television stations;<br />
(d) Before the initial and last screening of films and before<br />
the opening of theater performances; and<br />
(e) Other occasions as may be allowed by the Institute.&#8221;<br />
(Emphasis mine.)</p>
<p>Martin’s pre-fight boastful promotion of his performance was even on print media (written by Joaquin Henson) last Saturday.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah i&#039;ve heard the case is not expected to prosper. just the same the tempest over what&#039;s right and what&#039;s wrong is no teapot thing lang.  i don&#039;t think anyone really wants to see martin penalized for the &quot;crime&quot; but we do want an end to the debate, settle the question once and for all so we don&#039;t have a repeat when pacman fights again, so we can &quot;move on&quot;, ika nga, even if just on to the flag issue naman ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah i&#8217;ve heard the case is not expected to prosper. just the same the tempest over what&#8217;s right and what&#8217;s wrong is no teapot thing lang.  i don&#8217;t think anyone really wants to see martin penalized for the &#8220;crime&#8221; but we do want an end to the debate, settle the question once and for all so we don&#8217;t have a repeat when pacman fights again, so we can &#8220;move on&#8221;, ika nga, even if just on to the flag issue naman ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando R</title>
		<link>http://stuartsantiago.com/anthem-angsts/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator>Orlando R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a tempest in a teapot..  The &quot;crime&quot; was committed in Vegas, and it is not one of the exceptions to the territoriality principle which says that one cannot be held criminally liable by Philippine authorities for an act committed outside Philippine territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a tempest in a teapot..  The &#8220;crime&#8221; was committed in Vegas, and it is not one of the exceptions to the territoriality principle which says that one cannot be held criminally liable by Philippine authorities for an act committed outside Philippine territory.</p>
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